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Sebastian leans back slightly in his chair, forgetting entirely to try the tea, instead just thrumming at the cup.

"--So far I have seen precious little of your promised outside perspective insights, sir warden."

Ah, he's escalated to sir warden from sir. Hakkai raises his eyebrows.

"All right," he says plainly. "I don't think you will need to stop eating souls in order to graduate -- I assume that it's not possible for you to stop, in any case? I do think that it's going to be important for you to learn to work with your masters in a more transparent way. I'm quite sure that you'll be able to find people who want to accomplish their goals so badly that they're willing to suffer for years or decades, and willing to give you a complex role to play in their lives in the process. You're certainly not required to have a positive view of random humans -- or non-humans -- in order to graduate, but I do think you need to be willing to at least leave them to live their lives and not go out of your way to hurt them due to your contempt.

"Does that sound like something that's possible for you to accomplish?"

"Sir," - look, it went back to just sir; the backing off is accepted - "in what world would you say being a butler to one's core is compatible with going out of one's way to hurt one's master?"

Letting him be hurt is one thing. So is twisting the knife in a wound that's already there. But does Mr Cho think Sebastian actively tortures the young master? Preposterous.

"Oh, I don't mean your young master," Hakkai corrects immediately. "I mean random humans. People who are not your master and not those who your master commands you to help him deal with. Even if -- for example -- you found yourself with a new master who wanted you to take on the identity of a violent enforcer, rather than a butler."

"Ah."

Sebastian takes a few moments to consider this. Unlike his usual obvious body gesture when thinking something over - tapping his chin, head tilting - now he just spends those moments staring blankly at Hakkai. Sebastian is still angry with him; Hakkai doesn't deserve completely not unsettling body language.

"It is hardly as if I go around torturing random insects with no rhyme or reason as it is... Casualties will happen, of course."

But he's not outright saying no.

"Of course. But you are someone who exercises exquisite control of your actions," Hakkai points out.

"Wouldn't it be more of a challenge to explore those kinds of restrictions? Perhaps even... to increase your master's frustration and torment, should you have a master in the future who expects you to be some sort of uncouth ravening monster, by exercising your skills with precision and preventing collateral damage."

"Such a thing..."

Hm. He can't deny there's a certain appeal to that idea. He's no stranger to deliberately being difficult while still following orders to the letter - why, it's been another fun game between him and the young master on occasion, and the young master does get delightfully angry.

"It follows, of course, that I also would do the opposite in pursuit of a greater challenge: to cause maximum damage for a master who wishes for the minimum.

That is, of course, unless my own ultimate goal were to spare people. Which, I realise, is what you would have me work towards."

The 'do it to annoy my future masters' motive seems more doable, really.

"I do think committing yourself to sparing people is more likely to result in your graduation," Hakkai agrees. "In the long term, in order to graduate, I think you might need to... hmm."

What would be the best way to phrase this?

"Appreciate the elegance of doing no more harm than necessary as a part of your aesthetic," he decides at last.

Sebastian isn't prone to big displays of emotion, so this reaction, too, is rather subtle: his eyes widens, taking on a more intense red hue again.

No, it's not anger this time: it's that that sort of phrasing resonates. He understands that.

Hmm, but even so...

"--Acting out such a change in perspective would be child's play, of course."

But actually believing it? That's what he'd have to genuinely do, right?

"Which is why acting isn't enough," Hakkai agrees. "But acting might be a useful first step to see how well it resonates with you, while you're acting it out."

He tilts his head to one side, considering Sebastian thoughtfully, before adding, "I don't have a kitchen supervisor's key, of course, and supervisor keys can't be duplicated. But...."

He pulls out his greenhouse key and sets it on the table.

"I would be willing to make you another key to this room, and to leave this supervisor key in the room for you to use freely whenever I'm not using it myself."

As an opportunity to practice responsible harm reduction.

Sebastian likewise tilts his head at the key. A display of trust, like when Trevor unprompted offered Sebastian his warden item? No, but that doesn't make sense in this context...?

After a few moments, he asks, rather lost:

"...Would you have me practice supervising the Greenhouse?"

He. he knows how to do that already?

"I don't think it makes sense to restrict your actions while also asking you to try achieving your goals while minimizing harm."

After all, restricting someone's access to dangerous chemicals makes sense in the context of a belief that they might misuse those chemicals. Restricting someone's access to weapons shows a belief that they would misuse the weapons.

And it's not possible for Sebastian to show that he won't misuse something if he's never allowed to interact with it.

"I realize you've done my work in the Greenhouse more than once, and I want to ensure you have access to the key if you find yourself in that position again."

Sebastian has no reason to harm anyone on the Barge. Well, except for Johann, but Johann isn't a person. He doesn't point this out, however - no reason to deny himself the key if it's offered.

"Needless to say, I will take good care of it", he says at the pockets the key.

It's not a thank you. It's about bloody damn time more wardens than just Sir Trevor realise Sebastian can be trusted with basic adult responsibilities.

"Of course. I'll spare you the speech about how I'll withdraw the privilege if it's abused, et cetera--" He flicks a hand out, allowing the message to be delivered without the annoyance of saying it directly.

"I'd like to talk again after you've had some time to consider what we've talked about," he adds. "At the end of this week?"

--Oh, but it still needs to be delivered, does it? Even if indirectly. Of course it does, why did Sebastian ever assume differently ever for a second.

"Of course, sir. Until then: I hear a good night's rest does wonders if one is feeling unwell."

It's possible to pretend that things that weren't spoken also weren't understood.

"Why, thank you," he says lightly. "I'll keep that in mind. Do take care of yourself, too, until then."

[ooc: ...............And now that it's not 2 AM on my end and I have functioning reading skills again, let's pretend Sebastian didn't take the key and that Hakkai gets to copy in peace it as intended.]

[ooc; no worries! Hakkai will leave a copy of the room key with him the next day.]

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